What innovation means to us
Carole Desnost, Chief Technical Officer, Technologies, Innovation and Group Projects, describes her vision of innovation and looks ahead to the future of rail1.
What will the train of the future be like?
First of all, it will have to be trains of the future—in the plural. One community’s needs are dramatically different from another’s, and meeting them is deeply important to the people of France. To get back to your question, the trains of the future will be eco-friendly, self-driving and connected.
What are your areas of research?
To invent the trains of tomorrow, we’ve built teams that include cognitive science experts, physicists and energy engineers, as well as specialists in localization and AI. We’re working on everything from the passenger experience—good station acoustics, comfortable seats and “liveable” trainsets—to overarching issues such as traffic flow, safety, on-time departures and flexibility. The aim is to make rail more competitive with other transport modes, both economically and environmentally.
What environmental challenges do you face?
This is the big issue for the future, and we have an exciting path ahead. Here’s one example. Many of our trains—including all our TGVs—already run on electricity. But meeting SNCF’s commitment to reach carbon neutrality by 2050 sets a very high bar for our industrial innovation effort. We need a mix of technologies to succeed, so we’re moving ahead on all fronts: dual-mode trains, hybrid trains, battery trains, biofuels and hydrogen.
What’s your approach to autonomous trains?
Technologically, the complexity of the problem puts us much closer to the self-driving car, because we have an outdoor system that spans long distances. But we can make our infrastructure a lot smarter. We’re working on this at multiple levels and across multiple time horizons. The reason is simple: with smarter infrastructure and more autonomous trains, the whole system will perform better, economically and environmentally. And this isn’t only for freight and main lines. Our projects focus on new mobilities too.
What’s your view on the Hyperloop?
We’ve worked with the Virgin Hyperloop start-up for 5 years now, and it’s an exciting area for innovation. Compared with us, you could say they started from scratch—or nearly. It’s not rail. It’s not air travel. The technologies are still being developed, and the use patterns haven’t been invented yet. As we track all of this and work with our partners, we’re challenging ourselves in new ways, which is critical in our work. And because SNCF is a rail operator, we’ll be able to have our say and contribute our expertise when the hyperloop dream becomes a reality.
What’s next?
The TGV M will be running by 2024, and it’s packed with innovations at various levels. But there’s another little revolution that we and our partners are leading: hybrid trains, battery trains, biofuel trains and hydrogen trains. All of these are “on track” now. We plan to roll out the hydrogen train in 2025—right around the corner—and it will need a whole support structure. A trainset has a 40-year life, so we’ve always banked on sustainability and continuous transformation. In rail, planned obsolescence is unthinkable! That’s not how we work.
What’s your vision of innovation?
In the 21st century, we need to approach innovation with our minds wide open. We have to stay ahead of both social trends and technological advances. Our sector doesn’t have enough scale to stand on its own, so we make progress by working with the automotive and aerospace industries and with international partners. And frugal innovation was our guiding principle when we suggested new ways to electrify lines—in some places our solution cut costs in half. Mobility is inspiring a wealth of innovations, and we’re now seeing renewed expectations for regional rail. That’s very promising.
What about small lines?
We’re working on lighter, modular solutions, micro-station concepts, and connected modules for rural and suburban areas. The challenge is to offer shared alternatives to private cars in every community, with rail as the backbone. We believe strongly in a multifaceted vision of innovation that can take us into this new century.